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3 minutes ago, suji said:

And his Facebook is gone as well

 

the gifT that keeps on GIVING~

basically waiting on another phantasmagoria compilation CD, 『『from beg:inning to re:end』 to drop through his LINE.app account anytime soon now xx

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4 minutes ago, merchenticneurosis said:

The "help" still seems to support him tho. Idk what the tweet is about tho.

 

 

its just a typical birthday message, they were invited to kisaki's birthday party, met with many senpais etc

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Why is it that when people make baseless accusations about innocent people, everyone believes it and their reputation gets ruined, but when someone is proven to be an absolute cunt with irrefutable evidence against them, money settles all and, eventually, no-one gives a shite? Disgusting, naïve and disrespectful to everyone involved. I just hope the poor kid's alright and that Kisaki is eventually incarcerated.

 

This is why I stay out of shit like this until there is evidence. I believe in innocent until proven guilty on both sides and no amount of bullshit will ever cloud my perception on that. Kisaki can fuck right off if he thinks he can buy his way out of this mess he started.

 

Still, I'm not going to say that this damages all of VK. Yes, what Kisaki did was fucking abhorrent, and it undoubtedly damaged his reputation and, unfortunately, probably those of the people who have worked with him in the past as well, however I said that I believe in innocent until proven guilty on both sides, so I'm not going to let this take away my faith in the genre. Don't get me wrong, my faith in him is down the toilet, but that's him as an individual. Instead of letting his actions define what could and couldn't be possible in the lives of the many, many J-rockers we all know and love, I'm going to just separate him from it all. It's argued by a lot of people here that the art should be separated from the artist, so I'm separating Kisaki from VK. Abusing someone isn't a staple of the genre, it's a crime.

 

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15 hours ago, Gesu said:

Why is it that when people make baseless accusations about innocent people, everyone believes it and their reputation gets ruined, but when someone is proven to be an absolute cunt with irrefutable evidence against them, money settles all and, eventually, no-one gives a shite? Disgusting, naïve and disrespectful to everyone involved. I just hope the poor kid's alright and that Kisaki is eventually incarcerated.

 

This is why I stay out of shit like this until there is evidence. I believe in innocent until proven guilty on both sides and no amount of bullshit will ever cloud my perception on that. Kisaki can fuck right off if he thinks he can buy his way out of this mess he started.

 

Still, I'm not going to say that this damages all of VK. Yes, what Kisaki did was fucking abhorrent, and it undoubtedly damaged his reputation and, unfortunately, probably those of the people who have worked with him in the past as well, however I said that I believe in innocent until proven guilty on both sides, so I'm not going to let this take away my faith in the genre. Don't get me wrong, my faith in him is down the toilet, but that's him as an individual. Instead of letting his actions define what could and couldn't be possible in the lives of the many, many J-rockers we all know and love, I'm going to just separate him from it all. It's argued by a lot of people here that the art should be separated from the artist, so I'm separating Kisaki from VK. Abusing someone isn't a staple of the genre, it's a crime.

 

Couldn't say it better!

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I think a lot of people here, including myself lol, don't really understand how all this stuff works in Japan in the vk scene especially also in relation of the general public in Japan. Afaik, vk is already perceived as the last refuge for people totally unfit for society, an whether some bandoman is guilty of this and that over there is not really something to cause much attention, probably because the perception of the vk is pretty much true and all these dudes are just really shitty when it comes to treating both women and each other, I mean just look up stories of how they treated the vocalist from Screw back in the day and imagine if something like this came out involving some lamestream band in the west, like that could pretty much be the end of everyone involved; and this is only the beginning, like I think we've already heard tons of stories of really dodgy stuff which while shocking to people in the west accustomed to a totally different kind of culture and conduct, especially when it comes to regarding an elder statesman of the scene like ki$aki. This is an underground music culture of rejects that had a flash in the pan moment 20 years ago that brought it to the surface, which while an important moment it for sure didn't change the general makeup and reality of the scene, which is a large prostitution racket ran by yakuza and horny guys wanting to play shitty rock 'n roll to a fanbase consisting of people with as many issues an the bandguys themselves.

 

And to add to this I think everyone knows the Japanese think we are joke and that some gaijins are rustled is literally no concern of theirs, unless you're willing to fuck or buy them some chrome hearts of course.

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7 minutes ago, Disposable said:

I mean just look up stories of how they treated the vocalist from Screw back in the day and imagine if something like this came out involving some lamestream band in the west,--

This particular comment fucked me up so much more in this thread all because this stated about screw and I'm dying ahahahah I'm sorry, but anyways this comment is pretty insightful in a way that we all know now that this shit might not actually affect the VK scene at all? I mean, if a majority of Japan already thinks of VK as a shitty music industry then, I guess we have nothing to worry about in it dying out or smth...

 

Not unless of course for the next months and years we get consecutive news about bandomen being arrested for cases like these and in which case, I think we should all start to become alarmed now.

 

But anyways, in my opinion, I think our main focus in this thread anyways is just for Kisaki to get fucking incarcerated already and hope to god (or to people if ya'll atheist or smth) that the child that was traumatized gets the right help she needs because we all know that she'll be scarred for life because of what happened to her. Hopefully, her parents will actually take better fucking care of her.

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8 minutes ago, Disposable said:

I think a lot of people here, including myself lol, don't really understand how all this stuff works in Japan in the vk scene especially also in relation of the general public in Japan. Afaik, vk is already perceived as the last refuge for people totally unfit for society, an whether some bandoman is guilty of this and that over there is not really something to cause much attention, probably because the perception of the vk is pretty much true and all these dudes are just really shitty when it comes to treating both women and each other, I mean just look up stories of how they treated the vocalist from Screw back in the day and imagine if something like this came out involving some lamestream band in the west, like that could pretty much be the end of everyone involved; and this is only the beginning, like I think we've already heard tons of stories of really dodgy stuff which while shocking to people in the west accustomed to a totally different kind of culture and conduct, especially when it comes to regarding an elder statesman of the scene like ki$aki. This is an underground music culture of rejects that had a flash in the pan moment 20 years ago that brought it to the surface, which while an important moment it for sure didn't change the general makeup and reality of the scene, which is a large prostitution racket ran by yakuza and horny guys wanting to play shitty rock 'n roll to a fanbase consisting of people with as many issues an the bandguys themselves.

 

And to add to this I think everyone knows the Japanese think we are joke and that some gaijins are rustled is literally no concern of theirs, unless you're willing to fuck or buy them some chrome hearts of course.

VK may be underground even in Japan, but what he did is still an incredibly serious crime and I don't think the genre of music he plays is going to take away from that. Yeah, fine, he got away with it for now, but that wasn't because of the authorities. That was because the child's parents made the asinine decision of dropping the case (for the time being, at least).

 

And, listen. I'm not going to try to change your mind, but I have never bought into the idea of every single VK J-rocker ever being a prostitute. Maybe in the 80s/90s/early 00s, but name me one rock star who didn't whore themselves out back then. Given the volume of rumours that have come about and the amount of time they've been spreading over, to even begin to make me believe that, you would have to give me undeniable proof of at least fifty instances for around seven-hundred people, if I were to give a rough estimate.

 

As I said, I'm not letting a shitstorm like this define VK, and if they really do think of us as a joke over there, maybe all this crazy speculation is the reason for that.

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On 3/17/2019 at 2:55 PM, Disposable said:

I mean just look up stories of how they treated the vocalist from Screw back in the day and imagine if something like this came out involving some lamestream band in the west, like that could pretty much be the end of everyone involved; and this is only the beginning, like I think we've already heard tons of stories of really dodgy stuff which while shocking to people in the west accustomed to a totally different kind of culture and conduct, especially when it comes to regarding an elder statesman of the scene like ki$aki.


A lot of what we've heard about from Kisaki in the past is hear say. Drama from the 90's may as well be fairy tales. It's very hard to pin down a lot of salacious behavior to anything resembling a serious crime. That's why I think this comparison misses the mark a bit; it's true that visual kei has its dusty corners where I wouldn't want to be caught sneezing, but @Gesu also has a point in that big enough crimes get prosecuted independent of any affiliation to visual kei. This ain't Kisaki's first brush with the law, and the media was also quick to snap up SHINTARO from BLACK CAT and Setsuna from THE EGOIST for their crimes.
 

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3 hours ago, MissConduct said:

I'm sorry, can anyone tell.me who they are?

the guy on the left is Kisaki, the guy in the middle is the singer from Marvelous Cruelty

5 minutes ago, Zeus said:

the media was also quick to snap up SHINTARO from BLACK CAT and Setsuna from THE EGOIST for their crimes.
 

at least Setsuna's time in the Egoist wasn't acknowledged as he told police he was a part-timer, someone else just found out it was him from his gf's posts

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My point was that all these soliloquies about bandmen and the community having to denounce Kisaki from the community like a leper who ordered national socialist paraphernalia in the mail completely ignores the fact that in Japan and in the vk scene it probably doesn't work like that. And I wasn't referring to Kisaki's past at any point by the way, but rather to the widespreading hazing and abuse that is not even widespread but referred to in numerous interviews including members of DeG and The GazettE just to name some of these indie nobodies spreading harmful unsubstantiated tanuki rumours, bits of which you can find from this forum. If anything even close to the shit that's in these stories came out involving someone in the American showbiz industry, they'd be goners or at least caused a polemic of such magnitude that we already have with the me too movement and so on; and then you add to this that in Japan you just don't sell out your elders because their gya came out on the supreme justice court of twitter, especially ones that has given a start to a number of people in the scene. God knows what kind of stuff is going in the background too with the father of the child and so on. The pics are about as incriminating as you can get and my knee jerk reaction is to hope the child will be involved with none of these people in the future, but the legal procedures are messy especially when it involves messy people, and if you think anyone at 100% is voluntarily involved with kisaki then godspeed to u fam 

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3 minutes ago, Disposable said:

My point was that all these soliloquies about bandmen and the community having to denounce Kisaki from the community like a leper who ordered national socialist paraphernalia in the mail completely ignores the fact that in Japan and in the vk scene it probably doesn't work like that. And I wasn't referring to Kisaki's past at any point by the way, but rather to the widespreading hazing and abuse that is not even widespread but referred to in numerous interviews including members of DeG and The GazettE just to name some of these indie nobodies spreading harmful unsubstantiated tanuki rumours, bits of which you can find from this forum. If anything even close to the shit that's in these stories came out involving someone in the American showbiz industry, they'd be goners or at least caused a polemic of such magnitude that we already have with the me too movement and so on; and then you add to this that in Japan you just don't sell out your elders because their gya came out on the supreme justice court of twitter, especially ones that has given a start to a number of people in the scene. God knows what kind of stuff is going in the background too with the father of the child and so on. The pics are about as incriminating as you can get and my knee jerk reaction is to hope the child will be involved with none of these people in the future, but the legal procedures are messy especially when it involves messy people, and if you think anyone at 100% is voluntarily involved with kisaki then godspeed to u fam 

I agree with you for the most part, but there's a bit I'm confused about. If you don't mind humouring me, what do you mean when you say "unsubstantiated tanuki rumours"? I mean, I agree 100% that it's pretty much all unsubstantiated, but didn't you say in your last post that you believe that theory about literally every VK J-rocker ever being a prostitute and having their strings pulled by mob bosses? Isn't that, in itself, unsubstantiated and the result of countless rumours? Also, to be honest, I don't think it matters if the fans over in Japan still choose to like Kisaki. If we want to drop him, isn't that all that should really matter to us? Like I said, being a VK J-rocker doesn't invalidate what he did, so regardless of whether or not people choose to follow him still, he's going to face the consequences of his actions sooner or later. Like @Zeus said, it wouldn't be the first time someone's been found out and punished for their crimes, and he's already been found out. Sorry if I misunderstood, but I got a little muddled by that.

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34 minutes ago, Gesu said:

I agree with you for the most part, but there's a bit I'm confused about. If you don't mind humouring me, what do you mean when you say "unsubstantiated tanuki rumours"? I mean, I agree 100% that it's pretty much all unsubstantiated, but didn't you say in your last post that you believe that theory about literally every VK J-rocker ever being a prostitute and having their strings pulled by mob bosses? Isn't that, in itself, unsubstantiated and the result of countless rumours? Also, to be honest, I don't think it matters if the fans over in Japan still choose to like Kisaki. If we want to drop him, isn't that all that should really matter to us? Like I said, being a VK J-rocker doesn't invalidate what he did, so regardless of whether or not people choose to follow him still, he's going to face the consequences of his actions sooner or later. Like @Zeus said, it wouldn't be the first time someone's been found out and punished for their crimes, and he's already been found out. Sorry if I misunderstood, but I got a little muddled by that.

That thing about unsubstantiated was sarcasm/irony when it's kind of patently obvious despite differing opinion in specific details when it comes to any individual in question, but I think the general character of the scene is beyond dispute. Not just stuff on the internet that someone google translated and then related to a friends niece's cat, but personal experience of irl acquittances and etc. This scene is super dodgy and the esteem towards its elders is so strong that 'til he is in jail nothing is going to happen aside from the gasp when the story initially came out. Maybe gya reacted and go to his shows or something no mo', I mean we can hope. 

 

And you're right, that we're free to do as we choose. I was just a little triggered because of the tone here sometimes 

 

example of the tone here: the guy sells his own demo tapes under a pseudonym on the japanese ebay just to get by was referred to as prominent and powerful 

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