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  1. What's your VK-related guilty pleasure?

     

    Mine are the first Malice Mizer songs of the Gackt era: "Ma cherie", "Après midi", and the like. 

     

    The compositions sound so amateur, the keyboards feel so overwhelmingly cheesy, and the live performances are so pointless and clumsy... they make me cringe when I think of them too seriously, like "What the fuck was Mana actually thinking" but I can't stop siging them. Damn!

    1. Arkady

      Arkady

      I'll post it without further comment... >__>

       

    2. CELESTIAL CIEL
    3. YuyoDrift

      YuyoDrift

      Every now and then I'll play some Antic Cafe songs like ryuusei rocket and tekesuta kousen just cuz.

      People can lie all they want but they were actually really good!

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  2. After many (many) listenings to DeG's "Gauze", I could moreless figure out which are the sources of the majority of the songs in the album, in terms of styles and bands. For example, "Mitsu no tsuba", "Yurameki" and "Akuro no oka" recall Luna Sea very easily, "Cage" does for X songs like "Rusty Nail", while "304 blablabla", "Zan" and "Mazohyst" do the same for Kuroyume. 

     

    But there are still some songs whose arrangments don't fit in any "constelations" of arranagments I've heard before withing and out of the VK scene. "Yokan", "Raison detre" and "Mask"; the only word that comes to my mind while hearing them is "dance punk", but I can't tell anything else on the subject.

     

    Any ideas?

     

    1. Zeus

      Zeus

      for "Yokan", "Raison detre" most definitely 80s and 90s american pop and dance mixed with some (at that time) modern vk trends

    2. saiko

      saiko

      @Zeus What songs come to your mind for instance?

    3. Zeus

      Zeus

      No songs, just general trends and the types of synths and guitar tuning used

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  3. So my bf said he didn't like Gauze beyond "Cage", because of Kyo's voice sounding "weird" at him. 

     

    Should I dump him?

    1. Zeus

      Zeus

      so you are saying he got up TO cage before thinking kyo's vocals are weird?

      ...i guess that's fair shit don't get weird until tsumi to batsu

    2. Himeaimichu

      Himeaimichu

      Tell him "Suck it up, buttercup. Vkei only sounds weirder from here"

    3. anadentone

      anadentone

      Bf dont like Kyo's voice? Get a new bf :D 

  4. After looking at Michi (ex-Maschera) and Koji's (ex-La'cryma Christi) new project, a thought came to my mind. I love both musicians, and the music they've put out is ok. But I can't avoid getting cringy vibes from this kind of looks. Don't exactly know why... All I feel is like they are pretending too much; they don't carry that look like it's themselves. It actually feels like they are making fun, doing cosplay of some BL anime instead of doing "art".

     

    This kind of over-the-top fantasy aesthetics looked great on 90s acts like Malice Mizer, Psycho le cemu or even early DeG; they felt "genuine", "fresh", "artistic". Nowadays, when there is a trend of bands that exploit it (the like of Grimmoire, Pentagon, the raid, Yumeleep, Mathilda, BabyKingdom) they seem always forced and, in that way, painful to look at. Those nekomimi and tails are... ugh...

     

    Does anyone else feel the same?

    1. yomii

      yomii

      idk, isn't vkei all about selling you a fantasy? and nowadays more and more bands are capable of demonstrating nice, detailed looks which is not bad imo. it've become harder to distinguish bands that have actual sophisticated sense of style which comes out both in visual and musical aspects from total garbage bands who just can afford an okay-ish makeup tho.

      as for alice in menswear, they just look a bit cheap - at that age you either use the full power of makeup and photoshop to look like a fucking fairy or just do something more simple but still stylish.

  5. With this issue of Diaura switching labels, I got curious about the topic. How many labels of the VK scene can you count? If you can, add information on year of starting and closing; owner (and bands he/she got involved); at least three names of the most famous bands they have worked with; overall reputation.

  6.  

    Did I transcribed correctly what Kamijo says in the intro?

     

    ようこそ
    ここは 君の ??? 記憶の中
    未だ
    自分の全部で苦しみを 知らない
    小さな蕾お
    これから 君は 自分が 生まれるまいにだいて
    全ての感情を 知る事の 生る

    前線の君は 運命を 占い
    リリーと言う 
    指の 名を持つ 
    自分の 運命を

    There are some words I can't identify clearly, so maybe I missing a の for an を and so on...

    1. saiko

      saiko

       

      Same with this intro. Gackt's Japanese is more audible, but still have some confusion on some words, perhaps because I can't match them together into a whole meaning...

       

      ようこそ

      マリスミゼルの世界

      ここに集いし

      全ての物に 接げる

      今宵

      メルベーユと言う思いを含んだ物語が

      最後の光を放つ時

      この終焉と帰趨と言う中に

      飛べられた思いが

      その実態を

      粗は吹かもしれない。

      このメルベーユと言う物語が

      閉じられる最後の音

      心して聞くがいい

      その音の皆の音は

      何時の中ように

      あなたに

  7. Which do you consider are the most "anthemic" vk songs ever? 

     

    For me there are quite a few, but "Cage" from Dir should be in the top of the list.

    1. nekkichi

      nekkichi

       

       

       

       

      I'm not counting anything by Deg as anthemic ever since they traded their VK past for the no-homo metalhead neckbeard coin lol fucking Gackt still has more scene cred than them

    2. Paraph
  8.  

     

    Does anybody know what happened to Yomi's voice during the last era in Naito? I've never heard such a damaged voice onstage... He tries to put all his best into his performance, but he still sounds like having lots of mucus into his throat... and thus misses a lot of notes. The last live's "Mahora" sounded awful...

     

    Poor Yomi. Although always having some problems since the begining of Naito, I've always felt he is one of the best vocalist in the scene.

    1. Doesn'tEvenGoHere

      Doesn'tEvenGoHere

      Didn't he say something about having functional dysphonia  (or something like that) back when Nightmare announced their hiatus? And yeah, I agree that his voice was nice. It was different. He was  supposed to be resting during their hiatus, but he came out with Take No Break almost immediately and he still sounds awful. 

  9. Ex-ViViD Shin has just liked my comment on his recently born YouTube channel.

     

    😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

    Senpai noticed me

    😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

    1. ricchubunny

      ricchubunny

      He usually likes/comments every comment made during a specific time

  10. How many anime/dorama openings made by VK artists can you count?

    1. monkeybanana4

      monkeybanana4

      BUCK-TICK - Dress (Trinity Blood)

      SID - Ranbu no Melody (Bleach)

      vistlip - Yoru (Akatsuki no Yona)

    2. xriko

      xriko

      12012 - cyclone ( romeo x juliet)

      also a diru one's but I don't remember which one

    3. Lereku

      Lereku

      Nightmare : Alumina (Death Note)

      Nightmare : Raison d'être (Claymore)

      Nightmare : Lost in Blue & Naked (Mouryou no Hako)

      Nightmare : DIRTY (Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro)

      Buck-Tick : Kagerou (Kagerou)

      Buck-Tick Kuchizuke & Gekka Reijin (Shiki)

      Luna Sea : Limit (Endride)

      Luna Sea : Ran (op of the drama Toshi Densetsu no Onna 2)

      Luna Sea : I for you ( op of the drama Kamisama, Mou Sukoshi Dake)

      Megamasso : Twilight Star (Major)

      Kra : Kizuna (Yu-Gi-Oh ! 5D's !)

      ViVid : Real (Mobile Suit Gundam AGE)

      ViVid :  Hikari (Magi : The Kingdom of Magic)

      Sid : Anniversary (Magi : The Kingdom of Magic)

      Sid : V.I.P (Magi : The Labyrinth of Magic)

      Sid : ENAMEL (Kuroshitsuji : Book of Circus)

      Sid Glass no Hitomi (Kuroshitsuji Movie: Book of the Atlantic)

      Sid Rasen no Yume (Shoukoku no Altair)

      Sadie Juggernaut (Mazinkaiser SKL)

      Plastic Tree : Namida Drop (Garasu no Kantai.)

      Plastic Tree : Sink (Kindaichi Case Files)

      MUCC : Mother (Naruto Shippuden)

      MUCC : Classic (Nanatsu no Taizai : Seisen no Shirushi)

      Matenrou Opera Chimeishou (Orenchi no Furo Jijou)

      D Kaze ga Mekuru Page (Shinsengumi PEACE MAKER)

      Sug gr8 Story (Hitman Reborn)

      Sug R.P.G.~Rockin' Playing Game (Fairy Tail)

      An Cafe Kakusei Heroism ~THE HERO WITHOUT A "NAME"~ (Darker than BLACK : Kuro no Keiyakusha)

      An Cafe Ryuusei Rocket (op of the drama Fuma no Kojiro)

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  11.  

    I need somebody to share with my love for this song, because I just can't stop to move my legs to the rythm and if this continues I won't be able to finish my research paper lol

     

    Interesting fact: the credits for the music are to SHINYA, who will be also credited for the music of "Yurameki" a few months after, another classic of Dir that shares with this song the same syncopathed guitars' groove that makes one easily recall Eden-era Luna Sea. 

     

     

     

    1. RaeDesu

      RaeDesu

      Ahhhh, I love this song a lot! Dir en grey has such a special place in my heart.

  12. Wow, never thought BAISER had a major debut, less a single for an anime series opening.

     

     

    The few stuff I listened from them was pretty much irrelevant to me; also, I felt Yukari's voice ruined every bit of goodness the music could have. He made me recall IZAM's awful voice... So, I always believed they were some kind of nobodies that had relevance because somehow they managed to strike hard into the likers of old-school VK music, but nothing else... Perhaps I'll give them a try now...

     

     

     

    1. Paraph

      Paraph

      Ugh BAISER is love. This one is probs my fav:
       

       

  13. Are there any musician fellows here on MH?

     

    I've been playing bass for almost ten years to date. 

    1. RaeDesu

      RaeDesu

      I sing, and I've played Violin for almost 20 years. 

    2. nekkichi

      nekkichi

      check the dir en grey thread x

    3. Jigsaw9

      Jigsaw9

      Been failing at guitar for 12+ years, also amateurishly dabbling in weird ambient shit currently.

  14. Still waiting someday some mysterious user on YouTube uploads a handful full VHS recordings of Dir en grey's first concerts, where they played Zan faster than it would be recorded, and Kaoru missed almost every solo.

     

    I don't understand how this hasn't happened yet, considering it did happen with La:Sadie's and also big bands like X, Luna Sea, L'arc, D’erlanger, and many more.

     

    Tbh I got really bored of watching the 1999 Osaka Jou live over and over to have some of the most glorious 90s vk performances ever...

    1. Seelentau

      Seelentau

      You knew I'd reply to this :D So:

      The La:Sadie's videos are all from DVDs that Ki$aki sold at verious live shows after the band had disbanded. They're not band-sanctioned releases.

      As for the DEG stuff, well, it's obvious that they recorded all their lives from the very beginning, considering we already saw parts of one of their 1997 shows in their Mousou Blablabla VHS. Here's my digest for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgHcPRhNiI
      You guys probably also know about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOdKGLVZB68

      I'm not sure where it comes from, but it appears to be leaked footage of what was supposed to be their first live release (the 1998 Budokan performance). As you probably know, Kyo called this live their darkest day or something like that in the VOS documentary.

      The Tsumi to Batsu indies version (aka NS1) doesn't sound that different from the finished product. The intro is different and the lyrics, obviously. But the general song structure was there already.

    2. saiko

      saiko

      Hi Selentau!

       

      IMHO Kyo and the rest of the band need to stop being so dumbly dramatic and start taking charge on their fame and the love that feel a lot of people for whom they are very influential. So all this mysticism around their indie vk era needs to get an end soon. For god's sake.

       

      And btw, have you actually heard that NS1?

       

       

    3. Seelentau

      Seelentau

      I mean I wouldn't be opposed to finally seeing those old lives, but it would take away a lot of the mystery that surrounds their early days. Plus, they might be ashamed of their unprofessional, young selves, don't know.

       

      Yup, I have a recording of it, from October 17, 1998.

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  15. 2019 has already started and I've been thinking over 2018 that:

     

    - Homage kei trend, which was one of the sweet spots that kept the scene alive in the last 5 years, is pretty much dead. Also, La Veil sucks; Kyouki from Grieva could sing at least a little decently, and their bassist was a beast;

    - After watching Lycaon's Eve's new "twin project" I still can't believe how 98% of releases won't get less idolish and/or formulaic. 2018 was catastrophical in that sense: there was almost no cool releases to balance off the rest of the shit. I fear an oversaturation of the market comes and a lot of people lost their interest in the scene (and I couldn't blame on them for that...);

    - big bands delivered great but not stand out music, rather uninspired (Dir's The Insulated World and TG's Ninth are the perfect examples for that);

    - BPR and Goemon bands aren't cool anymore. Kiryu and Arlequin were skilled, fresh and original when they first came out, but nowadays the ghostwriting is so blatantly obvious, and the overexplotation so painful to notice, that I started keeping good distance from them;

    - What the fuck is Diaura doing? We need them to save VK again.

    - 2018' VK was saved by the proggy ones, Kizu and Dimlim. Nothing epic, but actually really good; I'll be definitely looking forward them in the future. Got very recently on them, and blame myself for not wanting to put my faith on them when I read all the hype here before. Oh, and don't forget Mamireta's "Ojamashimasu" (the rest of them is pretty much forgettable).

     

    Which is your 2018 balance?

     

     

    1. nekkichi

      nekkichi

      soan project alone >>>>>>>>>>>> the entire indie vk scene ca. '17 - 18 no matter how much you loathe idol-kei™ tbh.

       

      ninth is a much better album than 3* full releases before dogma (*four if you count traces)

       

      anyway the thing I liked most about 2018 VK is that guy's family sounds fresh again if you take a 7 year break from listening to it, same with withering to death by deg.

       

      dexcore were cute.

       

      once 2019 releases start rolling in with old artists forming new bands it will get better.

       

      tbh nothing ever compares to the 2006-2008 VK drought when a lot of promising indie acts were picked up by universal which averaged them to death and failed to find new audience for the mess that came out of it.

  16. I showed Dir's "Cage" to a friend to isn't remotely aware of VK or even J-rock, and he said "Wow, this sounds like Iron Maiden".

     

    VK always sounded very unique to my ear. But in the last year, since

    I was not very fond of the (Western) classics of punk, grunge, gothic, metal, and their respective subgenres and "post" scenes, although I always knew that theorically VK made itself over Western artist, the gap between VK and Western artists came up as much shorter than I tought, with only few elements of it (musical, visual, lyrical, performatic) keeping actually "unique".

     

    In the case of "Cage", since I haven't heard much from Iron Maiden, what can you say about what my friend said? Are you agree with him?

     

     

     

    1. Himeaimichu

      Himeaimichu

      Most of Iron Maiden's stuff is Metal, so maybe Cage sounds like some of their softer stuff?

      Even then, Dir en Grey's early heavy stuff sound less like Iron Maiden, and more like Metallica or Megadeth (and even then, still sound more like Kuroyume, Luna Sea and all the other early 90's bands they took inspiration from). 

      And their later heavy stuff more resembles Korn. 

      I think something like Vasalla more resembles Iron Maiden. 

      In my opinion, while a lot of Visual Kei does resemble western bands, there is so much common threads of influence in Visual Kei that some how, some way, Vkei still sounds different than the rest of mainstream J-Rock. 

    2. Jigsaw9

      Jigsaw9

      That is a pretty silly comparison imo. Now, if you showed him some GLAY, I would understand.... :D 

    3. Bear

      Bear

      I'm pretty sure your friend is deaf.

  17. We are all aware that Mana's music writing skills for Moi dix Mois are totally a flop and 90% of their catalog is worthy of a cringe compilation, but I wouldn't be fair if I don't recognize "Solitude" to be one of the most beautiful compositions VK ever had. I'm totally in love with the atmosphere of elegance and darkness, and overall over-the-top cheesiness Mana put into it, and how well Juka's voice manages to bring all the tragic tone. I feel it on the vibe of Malice Mizer works like "Garnet" and "Gardenia"; Klaha's voice could perfectly fit into it. Same opinion goes for "Vestige", another MdM track with the said vibe. Sometimes I wonder they were tracks already composed for MM before they decided to disband.

     

     

     

  18. Why does Dir en grey's "Yurameki" sound so Luna-Seaesque to me? We all know that Dir, along with almost every vk band, cites Luna as one of his big influences; my question goes in a technical sense. I tried listening to every song Luna put out before "Yurameki", but I haven't found yet one you could say "Here is the guitar/bass/drum sound Dir borrowed for this song"🤔🤔🤔

  19. Hay guys, have you this bangya channel on your radar? 

     

    I cannot but feel this is very charming.

     

  20. Recently, motivated by the sharing of a Dollis Marry's best-album a kind user did here, I have been listening to a good portion of Metis Gretel, Dollis Marry and Izabel Varosa, a group of bands that I've seen their name in every download website I visited since I started myself into vk back in 2009, but never tried. Although their sound is absolutely not a novelty, and in this sense they sound/look kind of generic, let me say that they actually did came over my expectatives, at least for a first listening, which is a really good sign. The best one was, of course, Dollis: a very decent vocalist (which it's like a miracle in this god forsaken scene; it's actually a pity there isn't any live footage available at least on Youtube, it is the only challenge it lefts to prove he is so) and very good arranged songs, some with a fresh approachs (with that I mean they take themselves off from the archetypical indie clichés), they best example being this: 

     

     

    1. Peace Heavy mk II

      Peace Heavy mk II

      I'm finding I'm going back and revisiting a lot of things I looked over a long time ago and realized that they sound a lot better than I originally thought.

       

      Glad you're liking Metis Gretel too: they're one of the first vkei bands I got into and are still a favorite of mine.

    2. Biopanda

      Biopanda

      Just gonna drop this here to spread the dollis love. AFAIK it's the only live footage that exists

       

    3. saiko

      saiko

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      I'm finding I'm going back and revisiting a lot of things I looked over a long time ago and realized that they sound a lot better than I originally thought.

       

      Glad you're liking Metis Gretel too: they're one of the first vkei bands I got into and are still a favorite of mine.

      I'm glad you are doing it!
       

      My process is generally the opposite: revisiting a a lot of things I looked up a long time ago and realize that they sound a worst than I originally thought. Next year I enter my second decade being a vk listener realizing that vk is in fact (and kinda was in its beggining) a scene filled with a bunch of boys in their early twe

      nties trying to mimic the big acts with none to zero creative spirit. Thus we have the increasing amount not only of plagio (the most incredible and yet dramatic case of it is bands like Kiryu, that literally copy themselves over and over with no signs of going to stop it someday) but of an idolized conception over bands, their formation, music, looks, selling strategies, etc. A very big dissapointement, if you aks me. 

       

      So, being into this process of grieving the ideal VK was for me a a musician, finding that there actually is/was listeneable music and cool looks within the scene is a caress to the wounded heart!

  21. VK songs that I deeply regret they didn't become anime openings:

     

    An Cafe - Snow Scene

    Penicillin - NICE IN LIP+L

    Janne Da Arc - Lunatic Gate

     

    Seriously, I love this kind of anison-kei.

  22. I feel very pitiful about BPRecords bands. Kiryu have very good musicians within it. I can't stand the fact of their managers trying to squeeze them all they can, and sadly, seeing how things are coming, it seems that I won't have enough of it. I hope Mahiro or anybody don't burn out completely before it's too late...

    1. IGM_Oficial

      IGM_Oficial

      That's right, but, unfortunately, this is the only way to make them constantly "hot" and getting money.

  23. Does anybody remember that alter-ego band of An Cafe's? It seems impossible to find it on the net...

    1. Ultra Silvam

      Ultra Silvam

      is it ChaosMaker?  That's the closest thing to an An Cafe alter-ego band that I can think of

    2. saiko

      saiko

      Yes, thank you very much!

  24. Does anybody know how are Resistar Records bands doing? And also, is it me, or Diaura kinda flopped the non-stop rising popularity they had around 2014-2015?

    1. Takadanobabaalien

      Takadanobabaalien

      Diaura is just as popular now as they were back then, if not more. At least in Japan. They also seem to have a fairly big overseas following still so I have no idea what you're talking about tbh 

    2. Mihenno

      Mihenno

      Yeah I don't think Diaura flopped at all. I think they're doing really good for themselves right now.

    3. saiko

      saiko

      Just asking.

      They fell out of my own radar after Triangle, actually. That album was a true masterpiece, and continued the greatness of Focus. Those albums really saved visual kei. Ruin, Engima and My Resistance were very promising, but never got to reach the quality of Triangle, imho.

      I still love the band, because they are one of the very few artists of the scene that seem talented and genuine, so I try to check out every release they put out till today, but since there is nothing actually worth listening on their most recent catalog, I supposed they run out of ideas, and thus maybe started to lose fans, etc.

      I hope they reach Budokan someday. They deserved it.

  25. If it wasn't for "Jisatsu ganbou", "Meikyou shishui", "Re:plica", "Rodeo", "-0°C", Due'le Quartz would be actually a prety shitty band. Miyavi was already a fierce player and genuine showman back then, but aside from the songs I mentioned, his compositions were very weak plagios of MISSA-era DEG songs like "Zan", "S" or classic "Byoushin". Seriously, it's very hard to listen to their discography entirely, and Sakito's voice makes it only more painful (I'm sure his voice will be remebered as one of the worst to have ever reached the scene).
    Bassist and drummer were skilled, too, but their arrangments didn't add anything interesting (Re.plica and Rodeo are the coolest ones, in this sense).
    I don't understand how they became so succesful back in the day, considering 2000-2001 was the era in which VK started to dramatically lose all the little, but overall significant, attention it got from the mainstream audicence.

    1. saiko

      saiko

      It's very interesting how this awkward standards became nowadays a legitimate "aesthetic" that is seeked by many people to listen or watch to, with all this "homage-kei" stuff that emerged as a trend in the last few years...

      A few years ago I could enjoy it, but today, after realizing how lazy and bagyaish the scene became in general,  I find it untolerable. That said, for satisfying my hunger for indie kotekote stuff I have done my own selection of songs that I find actually really well-worked (pre-Gauze Dir, pre-FINALE Pierrot, some Baiser, the Due song I mentioned above, and many others).

    2. reminiscing2004

      reminiscing2004

      everyone already knew sakito was a struggling vocalist. you're missing out on mad gems like "luna e", "utakata no...yume?", "omocha shuurisha", "re:shake spear", so its hard to take this argument srsly.

    3. nekkichi

      nekkichi

      miyabussi's selling power HA IMPACT, henni! they don't make them like that anymore

       

      I still bop to シュガーレス・シャンハイ and selfish on the reg tbh

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