It's really crazy listening to proto-kei bands like G-Schmitt and BOOWY, playing melodies and riffs that would become cliche in Visual Kei, many of them still cliches today.
Their influence on the scene is great enough to be considered proto-Vkei. Japanese goth bands just normally have really pretentious fanbases that want to deny influence on Vkei
Hanging out with 80s goth scene oyajis and their friends, they and their fans see nothing about vkei influence, the late 80s post-punk is still stay away from vkei as far as possible...